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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:52 am    Post subject: Official Beta Reader Request Thread Reply with quote

This is the thread for Beta Readers to lend their help and services.


The prospective writers who are in need of ielp should state the following:

- Name or Alias.

- A short introduction of yourself.

- How long that you have been writing for.

- Fandoms that you presently writing for.

- Strengths and Weaknesses.

- What are some qualities that your beta reader SHOULD have?


The prospective beta readers who are looking to help should state the following:

- Name or Alias.

- A short introduction of yourself.

- How long that you have been writing for.

- Fandoms you are involved in and write for.

- Topics that you will write about and what you won't touch.

- What you can offer as a beta reader and what you cannot.

- How your grammar is and what things if any that you are working to improve on.

- Times and Dates that you are available to beta on.



These submission rules apply to the writers and NOT to the beta readers.

- No works of racism should be submitted to a beta.

- No fics that are not pertaining to this fandom should be submitted to a beta. Crossovers might be an exception depending on which characters are involved and how similar the shows are to each other.

- No works should be submitted to a beta that involve Child porn or terrorism of any form.

- If you are writing a fic that is OOC, Please explain your reasons for it.

- No works that are centered around a Mary Sue character should be submitted to a beta.

- The fic that you are submitting to a Beta should be over 3,500 word s per chapter and at least have a PG rating.

-If you are planning on submitting a songfic to a beta , please make sure that the songs included in it were created prior to 2004.

Only AU songfics that are set in the future should have music in them that was created after 2005.

- The writer and the beta should each have a copy of each finished chapter during the duration that the story is being written.

That's a measurement put in the place so that the story isn't stolen, rewritten or destroyed in the event that the beta and the writer have a squabble or falling out during any part of the writing process.

- Have fun.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And a great thread it is!

How about we add a bit of information here, or a few suggestions? Would beta readers like to introduce themselves and say a bit about their talents and what they'd like to offer? Or would it work better for writers looking for a beta to post explaining what kind of story they have and what they need?

Floor's open, so throw some ideas around - if we settle on any kind of standard, we can always go back and add it to the original post.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kairos wrote:
And a great thread it is!

How about we add a bit of information here, or a few suggestions? Would beta readers like to introduce themselves and say a bit about their talents and what they'd like to offer? Or would it work better for writers looking for a beta to post explaining what kind of story they have and what they need?

Floor's open, so throw some ideas around - if we settle on any kind of standard, we can always go back and add it to the original post.


Beta Readers should give a small introduction of who they are and how long that they have been in this particular fandom.

They should also put up a list of strengths, weaknesses and what they absolute will not write.

Their should be a list of rules for this so that everything goes smoothly and no fights break out as a result of it.

I'm thinking of them at the moment and will probably post some soon.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks good - you might have to plug it for a while before people start noticing and using this thread as a resource, but don't get discouraged; we're in a slow era of fandom.

Let me know if there's anything else you need from the mods.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*shyly peers around*

Hi all Smile  

You guys may or may not remember me since it's been a decade or more since I've had anything to do with the B/A fandom, but you can find some of my stories on Scribes of Angel.  I think my most popular fics were Swan Song and Reconstruction.  Anyway, as you probably gathered from the fact that I could include the word "decade" in my introduction, I've been writing fanfic for a long, long time.  I've migrated around a bit.  I started with Forever Knight, moved to Angel & Buffy, then to Lois & Clark, and finally on to Grey's Anatomy, where I have been fixated since around 2007, writing really long MerDer stories that probably should be shorter.  I've spent that time honing my skills and trying to become a better writer, and I think if you compare my oldest work, which I can humbly admit is very bad, with my newest work, you'll see a world of difference. 

As far as weaknesses go, I'd honestly say my major one right now is brevity -- I'm currently stuck in a behemoth Grey's story that I can't seem to get out of no matter how I try to motivate myself.  I also suck at writing unadulterated fluff, and don't think I could ever even attempt a PWP fic.   Strengths?  I'm a character writer.  I like characters to pop off the page as the ones you know and love from the show, and I think I'm good at it, particularly with respect to dialog.  I don't believe in assassinating characters for the sake of whatever plot I want to happen.  If I can't come up with an in-character way to make something happen, I just don't write it.   

I recently started re-watching both BtVS & Angel on a whim, which got me back to devouring Angel fanfic, which of course stirred my very, as of late, temperamental muse.  To make an exceedingly long slightly less long, I'm looking for a beta reader to bounce a story idea off of, and, if my muse lets me get that far before crawling back into her cave, some editing work on a written product.  I think/hope taking a break to brainstorm and possibly write about something different than GA will be therapeutic for my poor, battered muse. 

The idea I have is an Angel-centric post-NFA fic.  Though this isn't going to be a story *about* B/A, it will certainly have B/A in it, it may have some B/A subplots, and it will definitely be B/A positive overall.  I need a grammar-conscious beta who is not afraid to be constructively critical.  Somebody who just says, "that's good!" for fear of hurting my feelings doesn't really help me.  I want to write the best story I can possibly write, and if that means axing my current ideas, or rewriting a huge passage, or fixing dialog over and over until it sparkles, so be it.  I also need somebody who is comfy with angst, moral ambiguity, and adult themes, because as my current outline stands, all three will be making an appearance. 

That all being said (See? Brevity. Can't do it...), any takers?  If I'm in the wrong place, please let me know.  I really have no idea where the fandom has shifted since I last heavily participated, so preemptive apologies for my rustiness, and of course, many thanks.  *slinks away*  Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately I don't have time to help with your beta reading, but I couldn't let this post go by without at least saying hi. I've seen your name in the archives and I remember Swan Song, which I loved. It's great to meet you.

I hope someone around here will be able to lend their services and your new story is a success. Yes, you're in the right place! Thanks for dropping by, even if it's just this once.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody alive at the writer's box?

Worse case scenario, post the thing in the fiction thread and see how it looks to you when it's actually 'in print' so to speak. It's not fatal to re work it--it seems to me, that IWRY and LJ your own site, maybe Scribes if you get it as you like or a beta'd version, if you get one. Maybe people will at least read you here and say something, since it's the comics that are so slow to come out? Just a thought....

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks! Even if I don't find anybody here to beta, I'm sure I'll work something out. I appreciate you taking the time to reply, nonetheless. Nice to meet y'all Smile It's really gratifying to know B/A fandom is still alive. It's definitely not as crazy busy as it used to be, but for a show that's been off the air for a decade now, and a ship that's been out of main circulation for even longer, I think just the existence of this forum is pretty incredible.

Kairos - Thanks! It's always fantabulous to hear those stories are still getting some enjoyment from fellow B/A fans Very Happy I actually read one of your stories the other day in the fic binge I mentioned up-thread. Damnation's Castaway Awakening. I thought it was wonderful -- probably my favorite depicting that particular scenario. You have a lovely turn of phrase!

Sybil -- I'll definitely take your advice. Posting on forums is typically especially tricky with formatting, but if you think it would be worthwhile to post here, by all means, I will do so if/when I have a finished product worth posting Smile What is the writer's box?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Scribes of Angel, http://scribes.darkstarfic.com/ run by our Mistress Dark Star is still alive and kicking. Dark Star is always looking for good B/A stories.

Also, Writer's Toybox on Live Journal, http://writers-toybox.livejournal.com/
also run by Dark Star, has a challenge up right now. For August it's The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse challenge. Any story that involves an apocalypse or the four horsemen, and of course, Buffy and Angel.

And then there is theBA Rosebud LJ. http://ba-rosebuds.livejournal.com/
500 words or so for a story. There are prompts for those.
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There are other sites that do BA and you know them e.g. Fanfic. Net
Sunnydale Herald—it’s quite spuffy friendly, but you rock, so you will get accepted, I am sure.

The Beta request thing is always a problem—I hope the feed back and polish will come, even if from your personal friends with the right skill set and the years of actual practice at slash and burn and polish. I only know of people doing fic who are too busy or RL sucks or they are in LJ and other sites. I love this forum because it is a forum for all in one place. Even if it seems dead, I am sure we do have readers, if not responders. Maybe PM would work from some readers and then Post. The need for all the wonders of the technical world are also not in my wheel house, so I adore when others make graphics or when comic down loads the pictures of current comics.

None of this helps you, but we are still breathing! I guess you know of SlayAliveand BuffyForums.net, right? Could ask there, but most are Spuffy and time has made all of us a little less Norman Bates.

Except me. VEG Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there anyone available to help me finish my story?

I have writer's block at the moment.

I'm good at writing dialogue. I just need someone who is good at writing certain scenes.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't wish to ignore you. To get out of writer's block. I think you may have your big scenes, but do you know where you want the thing to end? Sometimes knowing that "upfront" is the big "threat" we want to see if they beat it or don't. What is the mood you want to feel--a sigh, a roller coaster ride, angst? It has to feel true--you pulled back the curtain on something--it's why we read, even if the story has been told before, you tell it differently, with humor, or poetics or "make us see" details through words, feel how visuals and movement have a "sound track" of thought. Change the person watching your characters and a resason they could be in the know. Show the difference between their POV and what B/A know about themselves or have failed to see.Why are your people saying what they are saying--does it reveal them or move the plot forward? If not, you may find that the scope of your story needs to be a. edited. b. bigger or smaller.

If your big scenes are to set up a problem, does the problem really need to be resolved--is it you who needs to get something off your chest, but maybe these characters "just wouldn't" be truth telling when the "real problem" is your own decision in "why" Buffy and Angel are paired in the first place--especially with "conventions" or "canon"--if you are doing AU, then you are restricted only to your sense of character and why these people even notice the other is alive.

Have you given yur reader enough info to root for your characters? I mean fan fic doesn't require you to defend B/A, but your story requires we might have an interest in how they go aout dealing with the conflicts you throw in their paths--world saving, family, the "dangers of sex," e.g. the curse, the reality of Dawn and Connor, the facts of loss, the difficultiy of change, etc.

Mostly you have to torture your protagonists and why hope exists or doesn't and you can't write to please the whole world, you will fail them all. Please yourself.

I guess I am really not clear on what you need for a "scene"--how they mill around a room, while they are talking? I should shut up now.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sybil wrote:
Don't wish to ignore you. To get out of writer's block. I think you may have your big scenes, but do you know where you want the thing to end? Sometimes knowing that "upfront" is the big "threat" we want to see if they beat it or don't. What is the mood you want to feel--a sigh, a roller coaster ride, angst? It has to feel true--you pulled back the curtain on something--it's why we read, even if the story has been told before, you tell it differently, with humor, or poetics or "make us see" details through words, feel how visuals and movement have a "sound track" of thought. Change the person watching your characters and a resason they could be in the know. Show the difference between their POV and what B/A know about themselves or have failed to see.Why are your people saying what they are saying--does it reveal them or move the plot forward? If not, you may find that the scope of your story needs to be a. edited. b. bigger or smaller.

If your big scenes are to set up a problem, does the problem really need to be resolved--is it you who needs to get something off your chest, but maybe these characters "just wouldn't" be truth telling when the "real problem" is your own decision in "why" Buffy and Angel are paired in the first place--especially with "conventions" or "canon"--if you are doing AU, then you are restricted only to your sense of character and why these people even notice the other is alive.

Have you given yur reader enough info to root for your characters? I mean fan fic doesn't require you to defend B/A, but your story requires we might have an interest in how they go aout dealing with the conflicts you throw in their paths--world saving, family, the "dangers of sex," e.g. the curse, the reality of Dawn and Connor, the facts of loss, the difficultiy of change, etc.

Mostly you have to torture your protagonists and why hope exists or doesn't and you can't write to please the whole world, you will fail them all. Please yourself.

I guess I am really not clear on what you need for a "scene"--how they mill around a room, while they are talking? I should shut up now.

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Sybil, you are not ignoring me. It's all good. I have plans to write several stories tied to one big one, but I only have an idea of how I want the first one to end. The others are still being thought out right now.

The mood that I want to create is a roller coaster. A story that is filled with love, passion and redemption. But also has tons of angst.

The story that I want to write is realistic and it's something that isn't completely different, but it's not something that you would normally read in fandom.

My people are saying what they are saying because it helps to flesh out the characters and create the angst and the roller coaster.

My big scenes are set up to resolve a problem and to intersect into the next storyline.

Like one character might have experienced a large loss and has to walk away from a certain situation and goes away to find his or herself and only ends up finding more problems.

It's very hard to explain the way I write out here. I have this weird fear of people stealing my ideas, since someone actually did steal my story once. Stole it and destroyed it to piss me off.

I've given the reader way more than info to root for the characters. The average reader of my story would probably be happy and pissed off at the character, at the same time.

I provide lots of torture to my protagonists and lots of hope. Lots of love and reasons to come home again.


I have no idea how to write out scenes. There is a vision of how certain scenes are supposed to play out in my head, but everything looks weird and odd when I write them out.

Oh I don't know if you've noticed this but I have really horrible grammar. I need someone to correct my grammar.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RATS! I timed out on my response and I can't reproduce it all.

Aren't many stories in the whole called an anthology? hee hee.

I am terribly sorry your idea was stolen, but I also think that your story was a whole that was unique because it always was more than the "idea."
YOur telling of the tale will be different, no matter the subject, because you are different and see and feel differently.

You will eventually have to trust someone to "read the thing".

May I suggest a couple of approaches. Storyboard it. Pick your big moments of inspiration for each part-use a song or picture to remind you what the heck you want to say or emotional reality you are trying to convey shows us a. the character b. the reality we are in to move the story forward. The other is use inspiration until you recognize there is a theme and your story suggests the escalating problems are because these people don't see themselves--which is why these other characters are around to antagonize or help with that.

Consider "the Master" was not some MOW. He is central to the discussion of lousy dads, but how emotionally it shaped the characters and it was differently. The ability to see another as unable to help himself in 'how he is" is not "your" problem. It is the aiblity to see their pain is boomeranging badly. You don't have to submit to the tyranny of suffering you can't change. You can change your understanding. That's how to get your own power back. Using metaphors of fighting demons is made literal. That's all.

Betrayal and abandonment with a girl "about Buffy's age" With Xander we actually saw him neglected and relegated to the basement and the cost in black and white reactions: vampires are "drinkers" and evil, and force you into servitude, using your moral sense against you, making 'you' unlovable, which also makes them evil and not "you. " Willow, the intellectual sterility caused her to need both attention and to help, but with her at the center of attention giving that help.

gotta go!
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